Prince Harry and Archie: Expert discusses line of succession
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The Duchess of Sussex first raised the grievance in her solo part of the interview with the US TV legend. During their one-on-one chat, Meghan said these conversations about the skin colour of their baby were had with Harry while she was pregnant with Archie, in tandem with conversations around his title and whether he would get security. However, when Oprah asked Harry about it later, he claimed it was raised right at the beginning of his relationship with Meghan, before they were even married.
Meghan said: “In those months that I was pregnant, all around the same time, so we had in tandem the conversation of he won’t be given security, he’s not going to be given a title, and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born.”
Later, Oprah queried Harry on this and he said: “That conversation I’m never going to share, but at the time it was a bit awkward, I was a bit shocked.”
Oprah asked whether he could say what the question was, he said: “No I’m not comfortable sharing that. But that was right at the beginning, right?”
Oprah asked: “Like, what the baby will look like?”
Harry replied: “Yeah, what the kids will look like. But that was right at the beginning when she wasn’t going to get security, when members of my family were suggesting that she carries on acting because there’s not enough money to pay for her.
“There were some real, obvious signs before we even got married that this was going to be really hard.”
In this way, Meghan claimed the comments were made while she was pregnant, while Harry claimed they were made before they were even married.
Pod Save the Queen is hosted by Ann Gripper and features Daily Mirror royal editor Russell Myers.
Ms Gripper said one of the podcast’s listeners wrote in to point out this “contradiction”.
She said: “On the race point, and again to a certain extent it’s hard to even engage around that question because everything about it was so loaded.
“But Rona from Norway was one of the people who got in touch and said there was even that contradiction within the interview itself.
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“Harry said it was right at the beginning of his relationship with Meghan…
“Is it idle chatter and a stupid question or is it ‘I have deep concerns and why are you bringing a mixed race person into the Royal Family?’”
Ms Gripper posited that there are different ways in which this conversation might have been had.
In one scenario, the Royal Family member asked a “stupid question” and it was “gauche and crass” and reflective of someone who is not used to being around a diverse group of people.
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In another scenario, the comment was serious and reflected someone with deep-rooted racist beliefs.
Not knowing the context, it is hard to work out which of these is more accurate.
She added that anonymising the person behind the comments is potentially even more damaging, because it “damns the whole family”.
Apart from the Queen and Prince Philip, who Harry has clarified had nothing to do with it, not naming the person responsible casts suspicion on everyone, as it could be any one of them.
She said: “It’s that allegation in some ways that’s even more damaging because it was anonymised.
“We only know it wasn’t the Queen, it wasn’t Prince Philip.
“But not knowing who this person is it sort of damns the whole family, which is challenging.”
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Oprah With Meghan and Harry was on ITV at 9pm on Monday March 8. You can watch the full interview on the ITV Hub.
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